Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
     
 
Home Gallery Reviews Blogs Register Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Members List


Go Back   Overclock.net - Overclocking.net > Intel > Intel Memory

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-18-05   #1 (permalink)
Gotta love retirement
 
Bindusar's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,735

FAQs Submitted: 2
Trader Rating: 12
Default RAM Timing Explained

Being the type who likes to get all the info I can so I can really understand it, I figured I would post this article here as a supplement to NoAffinity's excellent RAM 101 article. This goes into a little deeper detail as to what those timings are as well as some other things. I just thought it would be nice to have it all in one place. I did NOT right this, I just found it...so don't think I am the shizzle when it comes to memory. Enjoy...

(Copied from http://www.iamnotageek.com/a/1-p1.php...Thanks!!)

Now days it seems like everybody is tweaking their systems to get every last bit of performance out of them. Something that is often overlooked that plays a significant rold in your systems performance is memory bandwidth. This is a very tricky thing, sometimes a lower bus speed with faster timings is considerably better than just increasing your bus speed. When you are shopping for RAM you don't want to buy just cas 2 RAM. It is possible that you can get 2/3/3 RAM. You want to make sure you get good stuff. All 3 of these timings will greatly affect your system performance. You'll want to make sure you get 2/2/2 RAM what do these 3 numbers mean?



The first number is the CAS latency. The second number is the TRCD. The last number is the TRP. What on earth are these things and why do they affect my performance so much? That's exactly why I've written this article. Here we will try and explain to you what these different settings you see all the time do and try to help you have a better understanding of why these make your system go so much faster.

Cas Latency

CAS means Column Address Strobe. The Webster's Dictionary defines latency as "the interval between stimulus and response" just in case that word isn't familiar to you.

This controls the timing delay (in clock cycles) before the RAM starts a read command after receiving it. Settings are usually 2 or 2.5 This setting has more affect on system performance than any other RAM setting. Since this is the number of cycles the CAS needs to find the correct address of the data that it is looking for. That is why your entire system runs quite a bit faster when the data can be fetched in 2 cycles rather than 2.5.

I'll pull a quote from a guide from Corsair who BTW makes the XMS line of memory that I certainly approve of for high speeds and good timings.

"To understand this let's walk through a simplified version of how the memory controller actually reads the memory. First, the chip set accesses the ROW of the memory matrix by putting an address on the memory's address pins and activating the RAS signal. Then, we have to wait a few clock cycles (known as RAS-to-CAS Delay). Then, the column address is put on the address pins, and the CAS signal is activated, to access the correct COLUMN of the memory matrix. Then, we wait a few clock cycles -- THIS IS KNOWN AS CAS LATENCY! -- and then the data appears on the pins of the RAM."

RAS to CAS Delay (TRCD) This field allows you to set the number of cycles for a timing delay between the CAS and RAS strobe signals, used when DRAM is written to, read from or refreshed. Lower settings result in faster performance. 3T, 2TBank Interleave

TRP indicates how fast SDRAM can terminate one row access and starts another one.

TRAS The TRAS timing can be typically be set to 5, 6, and 7. TRAS is a timing that has little effect on performance, but has a huge effect on the maximum stable speed your RAM can run. We recommend always using the slowest (highest number) TRAS setting available; usually on AMD motherboards this would be 6 or on P4 boards this would be 7.

Row Precharge Time
This item controls the number of cycles for Row Address Strobe (RAS) to be allowed to precharge. If insufficient time is allowed for the RAS to accumulate its charge before DRAM refresh, refresh may be incomplete and DRAM may fail to retain data. 2T or 3T

RAS Pulse WidthThis setting allows you to select the number of clock cycles allotted for the RAS pulse width, according to DRAM specs. The lower this is set the faster RAM performance. 6T,5T

Bank InterleaveThis files selects 2-bank or 4-bank interleave for the installed RAM. Disabled, 2-way and 4-way.

Basically, a bank activate command can open one bank at the time and then the readout will occur after tRCD and CAS-DL. However, simultaneously, the memory controller can issue another bank activate command in the cycle after the first command was issued and, thus open the next bank. If the controller knows that the next set of data is going to be in a different bank, it can issue read commands to the next location without trashing the first bank's data burst.

Burst lengthThis is a technique that DRAM uses to predict the address of the next memory location to be accessed after the first address is accessed. 4QW, 8QW

Command RateThis is the setting that selects the speed of the SDRAM signal controller. If set to 1T, then the memory controller is running in synchronization with your bus speed. 1T will increase your memory bandwidth but a LOT of memory brands will really have trouble running this at decent speeds. This setting will have to be played with a LOT while your increasing your FSB speed. It does in fact increase your memory bandwidth but will often lower your max bus speed so much that it just isn't worth using.

ECC"ECC" stands for "Error Checking and Correction". When ECC is enabled in the BIOS the memory check will take considerably longer than it does with normal RAM. you will just have to be patient. It does not show any special messages or any info telling you why it is taking so long. ECC RAM is more expensive. On a stick of RAM that has 8 modules a ninth will need to be added for error checking. on a 16 module stick 2 more modules will be added. The added modules are what increase the price. This will hinder your performance slightly and isn't needed by us. It's geared more towards the server market.This feature is similiar to parity back in the old days. Most of the BSOD's we always saw in the win9x days get healed by having ECC memory. Commonly RAM will have an error about once a month if it is being run 24 hours a day.

(Copied from http://www.iamnotageek.com/a/1-p1.php...Thanks!!)
__________________
Case mods are fun...the trick is getting them done!

System: Picture Perfect
CPU
E8400
Motherboard
Asus Maximus
Memory
4GB G.Skill
Graphics Card
HD 3870 X2
Hard Drive
WD 320GB Caviar
Power Supply
PC P&C 750W
Case
None...hangs on the wall
CPU cooling
D-Tek Fuzion
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Vista Ulimate 64
Monitor
Asus VW266H 25.5"

Last edited by NoAffinity : 01-19-05 at 07:00 PM
Bindusar is offline Overclocked Account Bindusar's Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-05   #2 (permalink)
Retired Mod
 
NoAffinity's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Poway, CA
Posts: 2,911

FAQs Submitted: 1
Hardware Reviews: 1
Trader Rating: 2
Default

Good stuff, bind. I edited in another "copied from" at the beginning of the excerpt, just so nobody comes here screaming plagiarism. Very useful info, tho.
__________________
Intel Overclocking Guide
RAM 101 (Intel systems in particular)

All statements, posts, recommendations, etc. are my . Sometimes they're worth a nickel, sometimes they're worth a penny, but I always do my best to at least ensure that my opinions are educated ones.

System: My System
CPU
P4-M 532 (3.06, SL7DT)
Motherboard
Abit IS7-E2
Sound Card
Audigy 2 ZS
Power Supply
TTGI Super Flower 550W
Case
Lian Li mobo tray
OS
XP Pro SP2
Monitor
Sony 21" CRT
NoAffinity is offline Overclocked Account   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-05   #3 (permalink)
Audiophile
 
zokus's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Posts: 2,210

Rep: 186 zokus is acknowledged by manyzokus is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 131
FAQs Submitted: 4
Hardware Reviews: 3
Trader Rating: 1
Default

Good find, good job. It's exactly what I would have wanted if I were a noob too lazy to find my manual.
__________________
Never argue with an idiot; they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

zokus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-05   #4 (permalink)
Overclocker
 
TwEaK_MoNkeY's Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Sydney
Posts: 301

Rep: 9 TwEaK_MoNkeY Unknown
Unique Rep: 9
Trader Rating: 0
Default

yeah thanx for the self esteem boost zokus :P
but that was a great help now some one needs to explain to me memory ratios???????????? thanx
__________________
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

System: My System
CPU
AMD K6/2 266Mhz
Motherboard
Intel 486
Sound Card
none
Power Supply
145W stock
Case
none
OS
SUSE Novell
Monitor
SAMTRON 17" CRT
TwEaK_MoNkeY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-05   #5 (permalink)
Overclocker
 
AndrewBEJ's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berlin
Posts: 209

Rep: 23 AndrewBEJ is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 17
Trader Rating: 0
Default

I want to ask,my mb support ddr 533,what if i use ddr2 667 ,will it works? thanks for the help
__________________
System: My Humble PC
CPU
Q6600 @ 3912.1 MHz H2o
Motherboard
ASUS Rampage Formula ROG
Memory
6Gigs @ 1170 MHz DDR2
Graphics Card
48701GB 850/4600/8800GTS512MB Vmoded 870/2200/2400
Hard Drive
Samsung F1 640GB/WD 160GB
Sound Card
Auzentech X-Plosion 7.1
Power Supply
BeQuiet 600W
Case
Thermalrock
CPU cooling
Water
GPU cooling
4870 w/dual cooling Gainward, 8800GTS w/Water
OS
Vista64 Ultimate
Monitor
Samsung 226BW
AndrewBEJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-05   #6 (permalink)
Gotta love retirement
 
Bindusar's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,735

FAQs Submitted: 2
Trader Rating: 12
Default

Yes, it will just run at the lower FSB speed.
__________________
Case mods are fun...the trick is getting them done!

System: Picture Perfect
CPU
E8400
Motherboard
Asus Maximus
Memory
4GB G.Skill
Graphics Card
HD 3870 X2
Hard Drive
WD 320GB Caviar
Power Supply
PC P&C 750W
Case
None...hangs on the wall
CPU cooling
D-Tek Fuzion
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Vista Ulimate 64
Monitor
Asus VW266H 25.5"
Bindusar is offline Overclocked Account Bindusar's Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-05   #7 (permalink)
Overclocker
 
AndrewBEJ's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berlin
Posts: 209

Rep: 23 AndrewBEJ is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 17
Trader Rating: 0
Default

ok,thanks mate.
__________________
System: My Humble PC
CPU
Q6600 @ 3912.1 MHz H2o
Motherboard
ASUS Rampage Formula ROG
Memory
6Gigs @ 1170 MHz DDR2
Graphics Card
48701GB 850/4600/8800GTS512MB Vmoded 870/2200/2400
Hard Drive
Samsung F1 640GB/WD 160GB
Sound Card
Auzentech X-Plosion 7.1
Power Supply
BeQuiet 600W
Case
Thermalrock
CPU cooling
Water
GPU cooling
4870 w/dual cooling Gainward, 8800GTS w/Water
OS
Vista64 Ultimate
Monitor
Samsung 226BW
AndrewBEJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-05   #8 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
intel ati

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 198

Rep: 4 iwannaplaygames Unknown
Unique Rep: 4
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zokus
Good find, good job. It's exactly what I would have wanted if I were a noob too lazy to find my manual.
i got my manual on my lap and its witten by a 4th grade dropout. "this setting adjusts the CAS latencie" great, thanks for repeating what the BOIS says.

NOW i know what CAS latencie is, man am i tired of that chick yelling at me
"system failed doto CPU overclocking" good find man
__________________
System: My System
CPU
P4 2.4
Motherboard
asus P4P800-e Dlx
Sound Card
on board
Power Supply
El cheapo
Case
niosey rectangle w/wires
OS
XfullofclutterP
iwannaplaygames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-05   #9 (permalink)
AMD Overclocker
 
Strider_2001's Avatar
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,077

Rep: 103 Strider_2001 is acknowledged by manyStrider_2001 is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 80
Trader Rating: 2
Default

How do I go about changing my mem timings...Would that be done in my CMOS???Or through software...Please help....Uber NOOB here when it comes to overclocking...Thanks in advance
__________________
System: My System
CPU
AMD Opty 180
Motherboard
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
Memory
OCZ Plat 2 X 1 Gig. 2.3.2.5
Graphics Card
EVGA 8800GTS
Hard Drive
2 X 80 Gig SATA
Sound Card
Audigy 2 ZS Gamer
Power Supply
550W Modular
CPU cooling
Big Typhoon
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Windows XP Pro / Vista
Monitor
Viewsonic 20.1inch WS
Strider_2001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-05   #10 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
SoFaKiNgHiGh's Avatar
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Norwich UK
Posts: 851

Rep: 42 SoFaKiNgHiGh is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 29
FAQs Submitted: 1
Hardware Reviews: 1
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strider_2001
How do I go about changing my mem timings...Would that be done in my CMOS???Or through software...Please help....Uber NOOB here when it comes to overclocking...Thanks in advance
usually in ur advanced BIOS options
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by intelc4004
It all comes down to the directors. A good director can make a movie about talking water bottles into a box office hit
yea course he can m8

System: My System
CPU
Athlon 64 3200+ Newcastle
Motherboard
DFI Lanparty UT nf3 250GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Power Supply
Akasa 400W
Case
Coolermaster Centurion 5
OS
Win XP Pro SP2
Monitor
LOL poop
SoFaKiNgHiGh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:09 AM.


Overclock.net is a Carbon Neutral Site Creative Commons License

Terms of Service / Forum Rules | Privacy Policy | DMCA Info | Advertising | Become an Official Vendor
Copyright © 2009 Shogun Interactive Development. Most rights reserved.
Page generated in 0.17815 seconds with 9 queries